[Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) ofBusiness?
Sachin Chavan
mail at sachinchavan.com
Tue Nov 10 13:36:19 MST 2009
Thanks for the suggestion, Cheri. Yes, it seems to be about the next shift in collective consciousness of mankind. I don't know if its 2012 as they (and a lot of people) say... but given the accelarating pace of change, I wouldn't bet on it not happening in 3 years time. Who knows!
Sri Aurobindo, the great Indian Yogi of early 20th century has written about this evolution... His ideas of superconsciousness are worth reading as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Divine-Sri-Aurobindo/dp/8170588456/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257884660&sr=1-2
Regards,
Sachin
Sachin Chavan
91-22-25308355
91-9820316390
www.sachinchavan.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu [mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Cheri Torres
Sent: 11 November 2009 01:28 AM
To: mail at sachinchavan.com
Cc: 'Roger Davies'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; 'Lionel Boxer'; ailist at lists.business.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) ofBusiness?
Sachin,
I just finished reading Spontaneous Evolution by Bruce Lipton; have you read it? They actually make quite a cogent argument for what is unfolding at this moment in evolutionary terms. Also creates a lot of hope!
Cheri
Cheri B. Torres, Ph.D.
Collaborative by Design
135 Westwood Place
Asheville, NC 28806
828-225-5088
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Sachin Chavan wrote:
> Cheri, apologies if that sounded quite inane. I am trying to ask the
> larger purpose behind evolution (if there is any). Sure man's or his
> business's purpose cannot be in contrast to the purpose of the
> universe!
>
>
> Regards,
> Sachin
>
>
>
> From: Cheri Torres [mailto:cheri.torres at gmail.com]
> Sent: 11 November 2009 12:22 AM
> To: mail at sachinchavan.com
> Cc: 'Roger Davies'; 'Lionel Boxer'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net
> ; ailist at lists.business.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) of
> Business?
>
> Sachan,
>
> I love your insight about value as the life force of business. The
> stakeholder centered approach that John Mackey describes in Be the
> Solution is about creating value in five arenas--where no one area
> gains value at the expense of the others. The areas are:
> 1. Employees
> 2. Suppliers
> 3. Customers
> 4. Investors
> 5. Community and Environment
>
> Profit is the value stream for investors, but it is only one of five
> and should not be maximized at the expense of value to the other four.
>
> With regards to your other questions, I'm not clear what you are
> actually asking or suggesting. Could you please clarify what you
> mean by the following and how it relates to the issue of business:
>> Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a
>> common
>> good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an
>> inflexion
>> point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where
>> we start
>> discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from
>> the current
>> peak of individuation of the Self?
>
> Thanks,
> Cheri B. Torres, Ph.D.
>
> Collaborative by Design
> 135 Westwood Place
> Asheville, NC 28806
> 828-225-5088
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Sachin Chavan wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks for your spirited participation in this discussion. I am
>> gaining
>> insights through the responses and a purposeful disussion has
>> resulted.
>>
>> Is the group collective coming to 'Value' as the Life force of
>> business?
>>
>> If business is seen as a system within the mega-system of the
>> universe,
>> money/profits is only a pale shadow to measure the value... and
>> limited by
>> its nature. The big question is, can there be a single unit of
>> measuring
>> value, which could mean different things to the different
>> constituents
>> (stakeholders) depending on where they see their benefit... which
>> depends on
>> who they see themselves as (Self-discovery) in the first place!
>>
>> Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a
>> common
>> good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an
>> inflexion
>> point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where
>> we start
>> discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from
>> the current
>> peak of individuation of the Self?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sachin
>>
>>
>> Sachin Chavan
>> 91-22-25308355
>> 91-9820316390
>> www.sachinchavan.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roger Davies [mailto:rdavies at rtpcompany.com]
>> Sent: 10 November 2009 03:43 AM
>> To: 'Lionel Boxer'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
>> ailist at lists.business.utah.edu; mail at sachinchavan.com
>> Subject: RE: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
>> ofBusiness?
>>
>> I'd rather put it that 'They all get paid for going to work' That's
>> not the
>> same as 'They all go to work to get paid'. We do much more than
>> that. In
>> fact if the only reason we go to work is to get paid we're usually
>> moving
>> one fairly soon after reaching that point. I'm with Sherene and
>> Bruce on
>> this one, at a deep level we go to work to contribute something and
>> feel
>> satisfied that we made a good contribution.
>>
>> I'm also of a mind that in trying to quantify such things we actually
>> devalue them. There will be indirect, measurable benefits just like
>> we can
>> measure heart rate or blood pressure to tell us about our health.
>> Our health
>> is much more than a bunch of measurements though. If you did a big
>> study and
>> found that an Appreciative conversation contained x number of y
>> words would
>> that mean that any conversation with that quota of those words
>> would be
>> appreciative? I doubt it. Measurement, though valuable can also be
>> deceiving, especially when one tries to apply it to dynamic
>> systems. In many
>> , many businesses the output of everyone is reduced to a few
>> measurements
>> and if you don't meet your target you aren't a good enough
>> employee. That's
>> one way businesses unwittingly act to disengage their workforce.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu
>> [mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Lionel
>> Boxer
>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:37 PM
>> To: bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
>> ailist at lists.business.utah.edu; mail at sachinchavan.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
>> ofBusiness?
>>
>> They all go to work to get paid. If they like the place - if there
>> is a
>> balance of social and ecological responsiblity - they will be less
>> likely to
>> leave for another job. If there is no triple bottom line balance
>> they will
>> leave for a better paid job.
>>
>> I work for a business with a good triple bottom line balance and I
>> will
>> likely never leave.
>>
>> Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256 Associate of RMIT
>> University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au Graduate School of Business my
>> "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
>> now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
>>>>> sherene zolno <coachpb at comcast.net> 10/11/09 8:13 AM >>>
>> I would say that the life force of business is the sense of self-
>> worth, hope
>> and capability each member of the business is able to experience--an
>> expresssion of their creativity and aliveness.
>>
>> I will be talk a bit more about this during my online presentation
>> at the
>> conference. Appreciative Leading: seeing the way to a healthy
>> world. I
>> will be presenting the Model for a Healthy World, based on our
>> research into
>> appreciative leadership.
>>
>> Come join me!
>>
>> Sherene Zolno
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/09 11:47 AM, "Bruce Elkin" <bruce at bruceelkin.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Before there was money, there was still business.
>>>
>>> At the heart of early business ‹ and perhaps, of business yet to
>>> come
>>> ‹
>> was
>>> sharing and serving: helping each other.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Bruce
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>>>
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>>> with your one wild and precious life?²
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