[Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) of Business?

Tue Nov 10 12:16:33 MST 2009

Cheri, apologies if that sounded quite inane. I am trying to ask the larger purpose behind evolution (if there is any). Sure man's or his business's purpose cannot be in contrast to the purpose of the universe!

Regards,
Sachin

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From: Cheri Torres [mailto:cheri.torres at gmail.com] 
Sent: 11 November 2009 12:22 AM
To: mail at sachinchavan.com
Cc: 'Roger Davies'; 'Lionel Boxer'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net; ailist at lists.business.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) of Business?

Sachan, 

I love your insight about value as the life force of business.  The stakeholder centered approach that John Mackey describes in Be the Solution  is about creating value in five arenas--where no one area gains value at the expense of the others.  The areas are:
1.  Employees
2.  Suppliers
3.  Customers
4.  Investors
5.  Community and Environment

Profit is the value stream for investors, but it is only one of five and should not be maximized at the expense of value to the other four.

With regards to your other questions, I'm not clear what you are actually asking or suggesting.  Could you please clarify what you mean by the following and how it relates to the issue of business:

Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a common
good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an inflexion
point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where we start
discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from the current
peak of individuation of the Self?

Thanks,

Cheri B. Torres, Ph.D.

Collaborative by Design
135 Westwood Place
Asheville, NC 28806
828-225-5088

On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Sachin Chavan wrote:

Dear all,

Thanks for your spirited participation in this discussion. I am gaining
insights through the responses and a purposeful disussion has resulted.

Is the group collective coming to 'Value' as the Life force of business? 

If business is seen as a system within the mega-system of the universe,
money/profits is only a pale shadow to measure the value... and limited by
its nature. The big question is, can there be a single unit of measuring
value, which could mean different things to the different constituents
(stakeholders) depending on where they see their benefit... which depends on
who they see themselves as (Self-discovery) in the first place!

Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a common
good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an inflexion
point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where we start
discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from the current
peak of individuation of the Self?

Regards,
Sachin

Sachin Chavan
91-22-25308355  
91-9820316390  
www.sachinchavan.com

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From: Roger Davies [mailto:rdavies at rtpcompany.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2009 03:43 AM
To: 'Lionel Boxer'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
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Subject: RE: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
ofBusiness?

I'd rather put it that 'They all get paid for going to work' That's not the
same as 'They all go to work to get paid'. We do much more than that. In
fact if the only reason we go to work is to get paid we're usually moving
one fairly soon after reaching that point. I'm with Sherene and Bruce on
this one, at a deep level we go to work to contribute something and feel
satisfied that we made a good contribution.

I'm also of a mind that in trying to quantify such things we actually
devalue them. There will be indirect, measurable benefits just like we can
measure heart rate or blood pressure to tell us about our health. Our health
is much more than a bunch of measurements though. If you did a big study and
found that an Appreciative conversation contained x number of y words would
that mean that any conversation with that quota of those words would be
appreciative? I doubt it. Measurement, though valuable can also be
deceiving, especially when one tries to apply it to dynamic systems. In many
, many businesses the output of everyone is reduced to a few measurements
and if you don't meet your target you aren't a good enough employee. That's
one way businesses unwittingly act to disengage their workforce.

Roger

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[mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Lionel Boxer
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:37 PM
To: bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
ailist at lists.business.utah.edu; mail at sachinchavan.com
Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
ofBusiness?

They all go to work to get paid.  If they like the place - if there is a
balance of social and ecological responsiblity - they will be less likely to
leave for another job.  If there is no triple bottom line balance they will
leave for a better paid job.

I work for a business with a good triple bottom line balance and I will
likely never leave.

Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256 Associate of RMIT
University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au Graduate School of Business my
"Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory" 
now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net

sherene zolno <coachpb at comcast.net> 10/11/09 8:13 AM >>>

I would say that the life force of business is the sense of self-worth, hope
and capability each member of the business is able to experience--an
expresssion of their creativity and aliveness.

I will be talk a bit more about this during my online presentation at the
conference.  Appreciative Leading:  seeing the way to a healthy world. I
will be presenting the Model for a Healthy World, based on our research into
appreciative leadership.

Come join me!

Sherene Zolno

On 11/9/09 11:47 AM, "Bruce Elkin" <bruce at bruceelkin.com> wrote:

Before there was money, there was still business.

At the heart of early business ‹ and perhaps, of business yet to come 

‹

was

sharing and serving: helping each other.

Cheers!

Bruce

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