[Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) of Business?
Cheri Torres
cheri.torres at gmail.com
Tue Nov 10 11:52:16 MST 2009
Sachan,
I love your insight about value as the life force of business. The
stakeholder centered approach that John Mackey describes in Be the
Solution is about creating value in five arenas--where no one area
gains value at the expense of the others. The areas are:
1. Employees
2. Suppliers
3. Customers
4. Investors
5. Community and Environment
Profit is the value stream for investors, but it is only one of five
and should not be maximized at the expense of value to the other four.
With regards to your other questions, I'm not clear what you are
actually asking or suggesting. Could you please clarify what you mean
by the following and how it relates to the issue of business:
> Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a
> common
> good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an
> inflexion
> point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where we
> start
> discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from the
> current
> peak of individuation of the Self?
Thanks,
Cheri B. Torres, Ph.D.
Collaborative by Design
135 Westwood Place
Asheville, NC 28806
828-225-5088
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Sachin Chavan wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Thanks for your spirited participation in this discussion. I am
> gaining
> insights through the responses and a purposeful disussion has
> resulted.
>
> Is the group collective coming to 'Value' as the Life force of
> business?
>
> If business is seen as a system within the mega-system of the
> universe,
> money/profits is only a pale shadow to measure the value... and
> limited by
> its nature. The big question is, can there be a single unit of
> measuring
> value, which could mean different things to the different constituents
> (stakeholders) depending on where they see their benefit... which
> depends on
> who they see themselves as (Self-discovery) in the first place!
>
> Would raising the collective consciousness level of the world be a
> common
> good? If not, what else can it be? And if yes, then are we at an
> inflexion
> point in evolution where the further journey is involution? Where we
> start
> discovering ourselves at a deeper level of inter-beingness, from the
> current
> peak of individuation of the Self?
>
> Regards,
> Sachin
>
>
> Sachin Chavan
> 91-22-25308355
> 91-9820316390
> www.sachinchavan.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Davies [mailto:rdavies at rtpcompany.com]
> Sent: 10 November 2009 03:43 AM
> To: 'Lionel Boxer'; bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
> ailist at lists.business.utah.edu; mail at sachinchavan.com
> Subject: RE: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
> ofBusiness?
>
> I'd rather put it that 'They all get paid for going to work' That's
> not the
> same as 'They all go to work to get paid'. We do much more than
> that. In
> fact if the only reason we go to work is to get paid we're usually
> moving
> one fairly soon after reaching that point. I'm with Sherene and
> Bruce on
> this one, at a deep level we go to work to contribute something and
> feel
> satisfied that we made a good contribution.
>
> I'm also of a mind that in trying to quantify such things we actually
> devalue them. There will be indirect, measurable benefits just like
> we can
> measure heart rate or blood pressure to tell us about our health.
> Our health
> is much more than a bunch of measurements though. If you did a big
> study and
> found that an Appreciative conversation contained x number of y
> words would
> that mean that any conversation with that quota of those words would
> be
> appreciative? I doubt it. Measurement, though valuable can also be
> deceiving, especially when one tries to apply it to dynamic systems.
> In many
> , many businesses the output of everyone is reduced to a few
> measurements
> and if you don't meet your target you aren't a good enough employee.
> That's
> one way businesses unwittingly act to disengage their workforce.
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu
> [mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Lionel
> Boxer
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: bruce at bruceelkin.com; coachpb at comcast.net;
> ailist at lists.business.utah.edu; mail at sachinchavan.com
> Subject: Re: [Ailist] What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana)
> ofBusiness?
>
> They all go to work to get paid. If they like the place - if there
> is a
> balance of social and ecological responsiblity - they will be less
> likely to
> leave for another job. If there is no triple bottom line balance
> they will
> leave for a better paid job.
>
> I work for a business with a good triple bottom line balance and I
> will
> likely never leave.
>
> Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256 Associate of RMIT
> University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au Graduate School of Business my
> "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
> now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
>>>> sherene zolno <coachpb at comcast.net> 10/11/09 8:13 AM >>>
> I would say that the life force of business is the sense of self-
> worth, hope
> and capability each member of the business is able to experience--an
> expresssion of their creativity and aliveness.
>
> I will be talk a bit more about this during my online presentation
> at the
> conference. Appreciative Leading: seeing the way to a healthy
> world. I
> will be presenting the Model for a Healthy World, based on our
> research into
> appreciative leadership.
>
> Come join me!
>
> Sherene Zolno
>
>
> On 11/9/09 11:47 AM, "Bruce Elkin" <bruce at bruceelkin.com> wrote:
>
>> Before there was money, there was still business.
>>
>> At the heart of early business ‹ and perhaps, of business yet to come
>> ‹
> was
>> sharing and serving: helping each other.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Bruce
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