[Ailist] Devaluing by valuing Re: What is the Life Force (Vital energy/Prana) of Business?

[Sachin Chavan]

Would it take anything less than a transformation of the collective
consciousness? Would mechanisms such as carbon credit etc. rooted in the
same paradigms (revenue - cost = profit) as the ones that landed us in
today's mess resulting from over 100 years of limited view of ourselves?

Sachin


-----Original Message-----
From: Cheri Torres [mailto:cheri.torres at gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2009 07:51 PM
To: Lionel Boxer
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Subject: Re: [Ailist] Devaluing by valuing Re: What is the Life Force (Vital
energy/Prana) ofBusiness?

To voice the other side, putting a measurable value on that which is
valuable enables an economic system to actually factor in its value into
costs and pricing.  Money and measurement are not the enemy, they are simply
tools.  I believe the fall of our current system is a result of our failing
to realize that money (and measurement )are not the end goals but merely the
means for helping us know if we are adding value and staying aligned with
our broader purposeful goals, respectively.

When people have to pay a significant price to pollute (because we value
clean air) they will seek ways to decrease that cost or eliminate it.  Seems
to me that if we stop making people wrong and instead look at how the system
encourages behavior we can then begin to change the system so that people
naturally choose what is "right"  
and "good" (like not polluting).  There is so little purpose in judging and
so much to be gained by pondering what kinds of regulations, costs, and
measures might actually lead us to once again value "all our brothers and
sisters in nature".

Cheri
Cheri B. Torres, Ph.D.

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On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Lionel Boxer wrote:

> Exactly, but that is what happens.  Accountants create dollar values 
> for everything and now we have carbon trading.  Meaningless 
> measurement that results in something with a money value that will 
> become traded like shares.
>
> Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256 Associate of RMIT 
> University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au Graduate School of Business my 
> "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
> now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
>>>> "Roger Davies" <rdavies at rtpcompany.com> 10/11/09 10:12 AM >>>
>
> I'm also of a mind that in trying to quantify such things we actually 
> devalue them. There will be indirect, measurable benefits just like we 
> can measure heart rate or blood pressure to tell us about our health.
> Our health
> is much more than a bunch of measurements though. If you did a big 
> study and found that an Appreciative conversation contained x number 
> of y words would that mean that any conversation with that quota of 
> those words would be appreciative? I doubt it. Measurement, though 
> valuable can also be deceiving, especially when one tries to apply it 
> to dynamic systems.
> In many
> , many businesses the output of everyone is reduced to a few 
> measurements and if you don't meet your target you aren't a good 
> enough employee.
> That's
> one way businesses unwittingly act to disengage their workforce.
>
> Roger
>
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