[Ailist] Steve Jobs and AI?

Fri Mar 7 10:39:35 MST 2008

I am sitting here using my beautiful Mac that has brought forth so much
creative possibility for me, and I am wondering why Lionel and others are
bringing in so much negativity into this line of inquiry.

I want to appreciate that the Mac is not for everyone--I think it would be a
sadder world with just one option for everyone.

Sherene

  On 3/6/08 10:50 PM, "Lionel Boxer" <lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au> wrote:

> Interesting Leif.
> 
> Until 1990 I used IBM PCs.  From 1990 to 1995 I used Macs pretty much
> exclusively, but found that non of my clients used Macs.  By 1998 I was
> back to PCs and by 2003 I was dumping all my Mac printers and PCs.
> 
> I discovered that there are plenty of options when dealing with the
> "IBM" platform.  I felt confined by the Mac option and I did not like
> the arogance I was being chaneled into. As someone who uses a PC for
> internet, MS Word, Excel, and Powerpoint I see absolutely no need to
> deal with the arogance of the Mac world.  I see absolutely no benefit
> from a Mac over a PC.
> 
> As you say Leif, the Mac technology was the catalyst to improve the PC
> environment.  In Chemistry you get rid of the catalyst when it has done
> its job and that is also the case in organisational change - a change
> agent (catalyst) is not appropriate in a changed world.  Once the change
> is in place you just need something that works not a whole lot of
> arrogance.
> 
> Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
> Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au
> Graduate School of Business
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>>>> "Leif Josefsson" <leif.josefsson at gmail.com> 07/03/08 4:56 PM >>>
> This is an interesting conversation!  I have been in contact with the
> debate
> of MAC vs PC for almost 20 years now.   And being right is not always
> the
> right thing.
> 
> *Reflection nr 1*
> It's so obvious that a Mac is a much "better" product. And that every
> Apple
> product is a marvel of beauty compared to any other. But why has it not
> taken more than a small part of the market?  Can it be that a lot of
> people
> resist the feeling of entering a religous sect when going for Mac?  That
> we
> prefer the chaotic world of an inferior system with lots of producers of
> ugly machines?  Because it gives us the freedom of choice, and that some
> of
> us prefer to be agnostics also in the context of technology. Now that a
> lot
> of us (at least in Europe) has left a lot of religous faith in God
> behind
> us.
> 
> *Reflection nr 2*
> On the other hand you could look at the perspective of appreciation.
> When
> it comes to entrepreneurs it might be useful to appreciate them even if
> they
> are not very appreciative themselves.  If appreciation always mean to
> smile
> and be positive you might end up in a very boring and non creative
> world.
> But of course on the other hand - if Jobs "being right" story had been
> complemented with a more appreciative perspective Apple might have had
> 25%
> of the market instead of 8,1%
> 
> *Reflection nr 3*
> One  interesting aspect with Apple is around metaphors.
> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2007/10/cultofmac_1031
> The user interface we know is based on office metaphors which date back
> to
> the Xerox Palo Alto Research office back in the 60s.  We are still stuck
> with files, folders, wastebaskets etc.  As mobile technology makes it
> possible to become much more part of "Mobile Ecosystems" than a well
> functioning machine part, we need new metaphors both in our lifes and on
> our
> computer screen.   As Apple controls the interface, they have a great
> opportunity to adapt to changing patterns in social behavior.
> 
> And this is also why a few of us have created the www.metafari.com -
> 
> Have a wonderful day!
> 
> /Leif
> 
> 2008/3/6, Lionel Boxer <lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au>:
>> 
>> So, would Apple products be so "wonderful" if Jobs was not that way?
>> Perhaps they would - how much better may they be if he were different?
>> Something has always bothered me about Apple products; this quotation
>> below helps me to articulate that the reason I have been bothered by
>> Apple products is that they have a mood of arrogance about them.
>> 
>> Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
>> Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer at rmit.edu.au
>> Graduate School of Business
>> What's up?: http://intergon.net/events.html
>> The Sustainable Way: http://intergon.net/tsw
>>>>> Hank Kearns <hkearns4 at comcast.net> 06/03/08 12:56 PM >>>
>> 
>> http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/
>> index.htm
>> 
>> I've been an Apple users all of my computer life, although not a
>> knowledgeable as you and many others, and have felt a real allegiance
>> to Apple. First I liked the product, but to be honest there was the
>> "style" issue and pulling for the underdog attraction. I have mixed
>> emotions when I read stories about Steve Jobs that talk of his
>> arrogance, rudeness, and other undesirable traits. I guess I'm just
>> an idealist, but I would rather have Steve be a little more
>> humanistic. :)
>> 
>> "As soon as people heard I was writing a book on assholes, they would
>> come up to me and start telling a Steve Jobs story," says Sutton.
>> "The degree to which people in Silicon Valley are afraid of Jobs is
>> unbelievable. He made people feel terrible; he made people cry. But
>> he was almost always right, and even when he was wrong, it was so
>> creative it was still amazing." Says Palo Alto venture capitalist
>> Jean-Louis Gasse, a former Apple executive who once worked with Jobs:
>> "Democracies don't make great products. You need a competent tyrant."
>> 
>> Can leaders have the success like Jobs and use the concepts of AI?
>> 
>> 
>> Cannot wait for the next Apple product!! :)
>> 
>> Hank Kearns
>> 
>> - -
>> 
>> www.greydogmac.com/
>> Saying thank you is more than good manners. It is good spirituality.
>> Alfred Painter:
>> 
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