[Ailist] Additional thoughts on AI phases

Tue Feb 13 05:56:17 MST 2007

Jade,

Fluid dynamics is an engineering field and completely unrelated to Spiral
Dynamics.  Say more about your interest in SD and the relationship with AI.

Cheri

Cheri B. Torres
www.mobileteamchallenge.com

Mobile Team Challenge
3247 E. Lamar Alexander Parkway
Maryville, TN 37804
Phone 865-681-0146
Fax 865-982-7721

-----Original Message-----
From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu
[mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jade Barclay
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:47 PM
To: Cheri Torres
Cc: AI List Serve; Ron Smith
Subject: Re: [Ailist] Additional thoughts on AI phases

Hi all,

Is "fluid dynamics" related to "spiral dynamics" (SD)??
If so, I'd love to discuss the interrelationship with SD, AI and org/culture
change.

Cheers,
Jade

On 2/13/07, Cheri Torres <cheri at mobileteamchallenge.com> wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> Makes me wonder about "fluid dynamics"--Hmmmm does anyone know much about
> this?  How would this metaphor work?  :o)
>
> Cheri
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu
> [mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Smith
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:57 AM
> To: AI List Serve
> Subject: [Ailist] Additional thoughts on AI phases
>
> Cheri & others:
>
> Nicely put, its a bit "trite" but I have always like the idea that
> Michelangelo just "removed" what was not needed or what was in the way so
> to
>
> speak to create David.
>
> I think businesses understand that the world is often "calling" for
> something. They think of it as "marketing" and in the few AI projects I
> have
>
> done, the corporate clients have easily moved into a place where they look
> for alignment and connection with a deeper purpose that combines what the
> world seems to be asking for, what they personally align with and what the
> organization is "poised" to step into at that moment. The discovery
> process
> seems to let the uneeded stone fall away so the positive core reveals
> itself.  Sometimes I pray that an organization would have a distinct soul
> or
>
> consciousness that would respond to the world  or a higher power telling
> it
> that "we love you just the way you are" ....... and you are destined for
> great things.
>
> Cheri, I like your word "fluid" because managing change can feel herky
> jerky
>
> to these folks (me too!) and the idea that there may be a more fluid way
> to
> be is enticing. I also think there is something about the 4D's the 5I's
> and
> other models that tend to have us think that each phase is separate. The
> models help me organize my thoughts and the way a program will move along
> but I try to remember that Design and Destiny are not very distinct (more
> fluid eh!).
>
> Saludos,
>
> Ron Smith
> Director, CELULA
> Centro Experiencial de Liderazgo
> Universidad Latinoamericana
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cheri Torres" <cheri at mobileteamchallenge.com>
> To: "'Bill Scott'" <wjs.consulting at shaw.ca>; <mukul.kumar at rogers.com>;
> <ailist at lists.business.utah.edu>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ailist] AI Introduction
>
>
> > Bill, Mukul, Amanda, and others:
> >
> > I am wondering about "Destiny" being framed as "tactics".  This sounds
> to
> > me
> > more like strategic planning and the mechanisms for achieving goals.
> >
> > I tend to think of Destiny as a more dynamic, fluid way of being in
> > relationship with one another that "allows" the dream to emerge.
> Wondering
> > if "systems" describes Design, then perhaps "relational dynamics"
> > describes
> > the Destiny that supports the systems design.
> >
> > Thoughts on this?
> >
> > Cheri
> >
> > Cheri B. Torres
> > www.mobileteamchallenge.com
> >
> > Mobile Team Challenge
> > 3247 E. Lamar Alexander Parkway
> > Maryville, TN 37804
> > Phone 865-681-0146
> > Fax 865-982-7721
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu
> > [mailto:ailist-bounces at lists.business.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Scott
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:11 PM
> > To: mukul.kumar at rogers.com; ailist at lists.business.utah.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Ailist] AI Introduction
> >
> > Hello Mukul,
> >
> > I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond to you.
> >
> > Ultimately, I think business people will need to become more comfortable
> > with the
> > language of AI because there is some clear connection between the type
> of
> > language
> > being used and the philosophy that is AI. If they are uncomfortable with
> > the
> > language, will they be comfortable with the AI philosophy? In the
> > meantime,
> > there is
> > a very pragmatic issue to be addressed.
> >
> > I recently took some training with Amanda Trosten-Bloom where this very
> > subject of
> > corporate comfort level with the language was discussed. Here are the
> > terms
> > she
> > shared with us that may assist you (The bracketed information is my own
> > addition to
> > Amanda's thoughts:
> >   *  Discover = looking backwards (over our history as an organization)
> >   *  Positive Core = looking inwards (to determine what makes us a
> unique
> > organization)
> >   *  Dream = moving forward (with our vision of the future)
> >   *  Design = identifying systems (to implement our goals)
> >   *  Destiny = tactics (that can be used to implement our goals)
> >
> > I hope this is helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Scott BSW, MBA
> >
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